Moderators StretchCT Posted December 11, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2023 Just posting some of the more promising runs that put snow on the ground for Christmas! I'm sticking to east of the Mississippi but feel free to post them from wherever. Here is a graphic showing the odds of a white Christmas from https://www.weather.gov/dvn/ChristmasSnow Here's the first run I've got with snow on the ground in much of the Northeast. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators StretchCT Posted December 11, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2023 Here's an older map with better colors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLChip Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Gotta pick me one of those >90 spots 🤣 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1816 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, StretchCT said: Here's an older map with better colors Not all of it is 90 but Wisconsin seems a solid bet. Minnesota and Maine as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btbucks Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Looking like a fairly brown Christmas this year for most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pghsnow Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Hoping something pops between now and Christmas to give more a white 🎄. Doesn't get much worse than this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1816 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Pghsnow said: Hoping something pops between now and Christmas to give more a white 🎄. Doesn't get much worse than this. Well, we could always move to Labrador I guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Hiramite Posted December 12, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 12, 2023 This article has some more detailed numbers on various cities across the US. https://weather.com/storms/winter/news/2023-12-08-white-christmas-historical-forecast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Hiramite Posted December 12, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 12, 2023 For inquiring minds, the last 10 years of snow cover on Christmas. Quote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clm Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 What would you consider a White Christmas? Flurries only? A coating? 60 inches? For my area, a coating would make it a White Christmas. Only because as a kid, we had a few White Christmases, maybe 4 or 5 and either got a coating or a few inches. I may be wrong, but we may have had a significant amount one year. But as an adult, way fewer. Is there a site where I can look up many moons ago before the days of the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators StretchCT Posted December 12, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, clm said: What would you consider a White Christmas? Flurries only? A coating? 60 inches? For my area, a coating would make it a White Christmas. Only because as a kid, we had a few White Christmases, maybe 4 or 5 and either got a coating or a few inches. I may be wrong, but we may have had a significant amount one year. But as an adult, way fewer. Is there a site where I can look up many moons ago before the days of the internet? On the map it's defined as an inch of snow on the ground. I'd say pretty much covering the grass for me. Most memorable one was in 2002. 15" in danbury, but we were in NJ that day, drove through the changeover to snow and then stayed in NJ. Parts of Nassau saw up to 11 inches. https://www.qsl.net/n2sln/dec252002.html Fox 5 put a good piece out on White Christmas in NYC area. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/white-christmas-new-york-snow-nyc-2023 Edited December 12, 2023 by StretchCT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clm Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, StretchCT said: On the map it's defined as an inch of snow on the ground. I'd say pretty much covering the grass for me. Most memorable one was in 2002. 15" in danbury, but we were in NJ that day, drove through the changeover to snow and then stayed in NJ. Parts of Nassau saw up to 11 inches. https://www.qsl.net/n2sln/dec252002.html Fox 5 put a good piece out on White Christmas in NYC area. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/white-christmas-new-york-snow-nyc-2023 Yep I remmeber that 2002 one. Got less than 1 foot but near it, still was fun. Though was an adult back then. I was a kid back in the smokem peace pipe days. Now entering I think my second or third childhood, can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Hiramite Posted December 12, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, clm said: What would you consider a White Christmas? Flurries only? A coating? 60 inches? For my area, a coating would make it a White Christmas. Only because as a kid, we had a few White Christmases, maybe 4 or 5 and either got a coating or a few inches. I may be wrong, but we may have had a significant amount one year. But as an adult, way fewer. Is there a site where I can look up many moons ago before the days of the internet? As Stretch indicates it’s 1”. Officially, NOAA defines a white Christmas as having 1 inch or more of snow on the ground Christmas morning. What type of info you looking for that occurred “many moons ago”….how much snow was on the ground on Christmas for a given location? If so, the ncei.noaa website has access to all historic observations, including snow cover, for weather reporting stations in the GHCND network. I don’t have the link handy at the moment, but can supply tomorrow AM if this is what you’re asking for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clm Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Hiramite said: As Stretch indicates it’s 1”. Officially, NOAA defines a white Christmas as having 1 inch or more of snow on the ground Christmas morning. What type of info you looking for that occurred “many moons ago”….how much snow was on the ground on Christmas for a given location? If so, the ncei.noaa website has access to all historic observations, including snow cover, for weather reporting stations in the GHCND network. I don’t have the link handy at the moment, but can supply tomorrow AM if this is what you’re asking for. Yeah wanted to go back through the years on Christmas to see when we had snow on the ground in my location, way pre-2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin MaineJay Posted December 13, 2023 Admin Share Posted December 13, 2023 At least I'm a lucid dreamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin MaineJay Posted December 13, 2023 Admin Share Posted December 13, 2023 RE: lucid dreaming. If you want to give it a go, try taking Zyrtec. Disclaimer, if you are prone to bad dreams, you might get night terrors. I only get vivid and sometimes lucid dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Hiramite Posted December 13, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2023 18 hours ago, clm said: Yeah wanted to go back through the years on Christmas to see when we had snow on the ground in my location, way pre-2000. Here's the site. https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/search Type in your locale on the bottom line, hit search. Several locations should pop up, choose the closest and or the one with the best data (some sites have incomplete data!) and hit the "View Full Details" link. Pick a month, year and away you go. It should download and open a small file that looks like this.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators StretchCT Posted December 13, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, clm said: Yeah wanted to go back through the years on Christmas to see when we had snow on the ground in my location, way pre-2000. Go into the main NWS office site (NYC/Upton pictured), over to Climate and Past Weather, click past weather. Daily Almanac will give you the conditions, including snow cover in most places, for at least an airport in your area. In 1974, BDR had a T of snow, nothing on the ground. But in 1975, 0.7 fell and 6" were on the ground. Edited December 13, 2023 by StretchCT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators StretchCT Posted December 13, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 13, 2023 0z GFS - a weak shortwave came through NE on the 23rd. EPS even weaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pghsnow Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) After days of depression over the models there was once again joy in Whoville... Edited December 13, 2023 by Pghsnow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLChip Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, MaineJay said: RE: lucid dreaming. If you want to give it a go, try taking Zyrtec. Never noticed this effect. I only take it when my allergies flare up, now I have a goal next spring. To be fair I don’t remember most of my dreams, only nightmares that force me awake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben89 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 The "torch" will limit a white Christmas for most of us this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pghsnow Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Could this be a Christmas storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators StretchCT Posted December 14, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 0z eps Edited December 14, 2023 by StretchCT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Social Media Crew Penn State Posted December 14, 2023 Social Media Crew Share Posted December 14, 2023 The 12z CMC looked somewhat promising for the Christmas timeframe. I'm sure it will change, but there was system in the midwest and some level of cold in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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