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Hurricane Martin | Peak 950mb 85mph | post tropical


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This one seemed high in latitude to call tropical, but ok.  Martin should be just a fish storm, maybe Greenland hit?

Progged to reach 85mph

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT  01/1500Z 35.3N  55.9W   45 KT  50 MPH
 12H  02/0000Z 35.4N  53.9W   50 KT  60 MPH
 24H  02/1200Z 36.1N  50.7W   60 KT  70 MPH
 36H  03/0000Z 38.7N  46.4W   70 KT  80 MPH
 48H  03/1200Z 43.8N  40.0W   75 KT  85 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 60H  04/0000Z 51.5N  34.6W   75 KT  85 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 72H  04/1200Z 56.0N  34.9W   70 KT  80 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 96H  05/1200Z...DISSIPATED

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Take everything you've heard about tropical systems and throw it out the window!  Formed from an occluded low, but the cyclone phase analysis suggests that it's non frontal warm core.  But the SST's are only 25c and the upper air aloft is very cold which seems to be driving the convection.  Shear is 25kts but since it's the same direction, doesn't matter.🤷‍♂️

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Tropical Storm Martin Discussion Number   1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL162022
1100 AM AST Tue Nov 01 2022

The occluded low over the central North Atlantic has developed deep
convection over its center, while the frontal boundaries have
become displaced a long distance to its east and north.  At
the same time, FSU Cyclone Phase Space analyses suggest that the
system has developed a non-frontal warm core.
 Given these changes,
the system has evolved into a tropical cyclone. The ASCAT
scatterometer just observed the system and indicated that the
intensity is currently at 45 kt with a large area of
35 kt-plus winds. Thus the system is now a tropical storm and given
the name Martin.

The system is moving toward the east-northeast around 8 kt, as it
is embedded in the mid-latitude westerlies in a split in the jet
stream with faster westerlies both poleward and equatorward of the
system.  Martin should turn toward the northeast at an increasingly
rapid forward speed during the next two days.  The official track
forecast is based upon the consensus (TVCN and HCCA) of the tightly
clustered global and hurricane dynamical models. In about three
days, Martin should decelerate as it merges with a developing
extratropical low to its north.

For the intensity, even though the SSTs are a lukewarm 25C, the
upper-level temperatures are quite cold given that Martin is
embedded within a deep and vertically stacked cyclone. This
vertical temperature structure should enable deep convection
to continue, even while the mid-level moisture is only marginally
ample.  The vertical shear is 20-25 kt out of the southwest, but
the effects of this moderate shear are tempered by Martin moving in
the same direction as the shear vector.  Bottom line is that
despite the month being November, Martin is expected to develop into
a hurricane at high latitudes.  The official intensity prediction
steadily strengthens the system through 48 hr, which matches a
consensus of the statistical, global, and hurricane dynamical
models.  Around 48 hr, Martin should transition into a powerful
extratropical low as a cold front reaches near the center of the
system.  In about three days, post-tropical Martin should be
merging with an developing extratropical system to its north but
still be containing hurricane-force winds.
 

 

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Martin getting close to hurricane, now progged to reach 90mph as extratropical storm

5:00 AM AST Wed Nov 2
Location: 35.3°N 52.1°W
Moving: ENE at 15 mph
Min pressure: 989 mb
Max sustained: 65 mph

Disco notes something like an eye feature that's formed.  

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Deep convection has continued to increase in coverage and intensity 
with Martin this morning, with occasional hints of a eye trying to 
develop within the cyclonically rotating bands of cloud tops colder 
than -60C. This improved core structure can also be seen on a recent 
0732 UTC GMI microwave pass. Earlier scatterometer imagery mostly 
missed the center, though the edge values of ASCAT-C in the 
southwest quadrant did show a peak wind retrieval of 44 kt. While 
earlier subjective satellite intensity estimates remained largely 
unchanged, given the improvement in satellite imagery seen this 
morning compared to last night, the initial intensity is being 
nudged upward to 55 kt for this advisory. 

Martin is starting to make the turn more northward as it accelerates 
at 075/13 kt. The tropical cyclone should continue to turn more 
northeastward and accelerate over the next 12 to 24 hours as it 
becomes captured by pronounced deep-layer trough in Atlantic Canada 
that is quickly amplifying towards the system. This same trough will 
ultimately fully capture Martin, leading to its extratropical 
transition. The merger of both systems is also forecast to lead to a 
rapid expansion of both the 34- and 50-kt radii and these have been 
increased significantly as Martin becomes extratropical. After this 
trough-TC merger, the resulting extratropical cyclone will slow down 
and then pivot eastward over the remainder of the forecast period. 
The track guidance is tightly clustered early on, but is also 
slightly east of the prior forecast track, so the latest track 
forecast was shifted in that direction. Another eastward adjustment 
was also made in days 4 and 5, in order to match closer with track 
guidance this cycle.  

Martin is having no issues maintaining moderate to deep convection 
near its center, thanks in large part to very cold (-57 to -59 
degree C) 200 mb temperatures over the cyclone maintaining 
instability. Even though shear is forecast to increase over the next 
24 hours, this negative factor will likely be offset by a pronounced 
jet streak developing north of Martin, with the cyclone being 
optimally placed for in its right entrance region, favoring 
large-scale ascent. Thus, Martin is expected to intensify further 
and is forecast to become a hurricane later today. The acceleration 
in the cyclone's forward motion may also help to increase its 
maximum sustained winds, and the latest NHC intensity forecast still 
shows Martin peaking in intensity as it becomes a large and powerful 
extratropical cyclone. This intensity forecast remains in good 
agreement with the bulk of the intensity guidance. 


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT  02/0900Z 35.3N  52.1W   55 KT  65 MPH
 12H  02/1800Z 36.6N  49.2W   65 KT  75 MPH
 24H  03/0600Z 40.6N  43.7W   75 KT  85 MPH
 36H  03/1800Z 47.4N  37.4W   80 KT  90 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 48H  04/0600Z 54.3N  34.0W   75 KT  85 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 60H  04/1800Z 57.0N  35.3W   65 KT  75 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 72H  05/0600Z 55.5N  34.4W   55 KT  65 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 96H  06/0600Z 54.4N  22.4W   45 KT  50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H  07/0600Z 57.7N  13.1W   40 KT  45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP

$$
Forecaster Papin

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  • The title was changed to Hurricane Martin | 983mb 75mph | strengthening
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Hurricane Martin Advisory Number   5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL162022
1100 AM AST Wed Nov 02 2022

...MARTIN BECOMES THE SEVENTH HURRICANE OF THE 2022 ATLANTIC
SEASON...


SUMMARY OF 1100 AM AST...1500 UTC...INFORMATION
-----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...35.5N 50.0W
ABOUT 1280 MI...2060 KM W OF THE AZORES
ABOUT 790 MI...1270 KM SSE OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...75 MPH...120 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...ENE OR 60 DEGREES AT 26 MPH...43 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...983 MB...29.03 INCHES
 

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5:00 PM AST Wed Nov 2
Location: 37.1°N 47.6°W
Moving: NE at 31 mph
Min pressure: 974 mb
Max sustained: 85 mph

Looking at a peak now of 105mph.

INIT  02/2100Z 37.1N  47.6W   75 KT  85 MPH
 12H  03/0600Z 40.4N  43.2W   90 KT 105 MPH
 24H  03/1800Z 48.0N  36.5W   85 KT 100 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 36H  04/0600Z 54.6N  36.5W   70 KT  80 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 48H  04/1800Z 56.3N  35.5W   60 KT  70 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 60H  05/0600Z 56.0N  32.0W   55 KT  65 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 72H  05/1800Z 55.0N  24.5W   50 KT  60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 96H  06/1800Z 57.0N  11.5W   40 KT  45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H  07/1800Z...DISSIPATED

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Pressure deepened overnight, winds stayed about the same, probably spread out a bit more though.  It's really moving fast though, 46mph.

9:00 AM GMT Thu Nov 3
Location: 41.9°N 41.4°W
Moving: NNE at 46 mph
Min pressure: 968 mb
Max sustained: 85 mph
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Predicted to peak today at 90mph and go post-tropical. Hebrides still seem to be the target, Iceland taken out.  Ireland in the expected wind arrival map.

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Hurricane Martin Discussion Number   8
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL162022
900 AM GMT Thu Nov 03 2022

Martin has maintained an impressive presentation overnight, with
an eye feature appearing on and off in satellite imagery. However,
recent images suggests a baroclinic zone is already starting to 
run under Martin's cirrus canopy from the northwest. This front has 
yet to infiltrate the core, per recent microwave imagery, and thus 
Martin currently remains a tropical cyclone. The latest Dvorak 
estimates remain unchanged, so Martin's intensity is held at 75 kt.

Acceleration continues with Martin, but the latest heading is
just a bit more poleward than before at a very brisk 030/40-kt. No
drastic changes were made from the prior cycle, with Martin
accelerating further and turning north over the next 6-12 hours as
it becomes captured by an intense high-latitude trough from
Atlantic Canada. After the phasing between Martin and this potent
deep-layer trough completes, the combined system is forecast to
slow down substantially as it occludes, followed by a faster 
eastward or east-southeastward motion as the large extratropical 
cyclone gradually weakens. The latest track forecast is quite 
similar to the prior forecast, continuing to favor a blend of the 
GFS and ECMWF global model guidance.

Any additional intensification of Martin's maximum sustained winds 
will likely be of the non-tropical variety, as interaction with the 
trough will likely wrap some cool descending air along the 
southwestern side of Martin, potentially resulting a string-jet-like 
development that causes some strengthening. For this reason, a peak 
intensity of 80-kt is still shown in 12 hours as Martin becomes 
post-Tropical. With that said, the most important evolution with the 
cyclone over the next couple of days will be the dramatic expansion 
of its 34- and 50-kt wind field as the system becomes an 
exceptionally large and dangerous warm-seclusion-type extratropical 
low. In fact, the forecast tropical-storm-force wind radii and 
high-seas of the resulting extratropical cyclone are so large in 36 
hours that it takes up a large chunk of the entire north Atlantic 
poleward of 50 degrees. After this time period, the extratropical 
cyclone should completely occlude and gradually start to decay as it 
loses its baroclinicity. However, Martin should remain a large and 
powerful extratropical cyclone into the weekend.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT  03/0900Z 41.9N  41.4W   75 KT  85 MPH
 12H  03/1800Z 47.9N  37.7W   80 KT  90 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 24H  04/0600Z 54.7N  36.7W   75 KT  85 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 36H  04/1800Z 56.2N  36.0W   65 KT  75 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 48H  05/0600Z 55.9N  33.3W   55 KT  65 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 60H  05/1800Z 54.7N  26.2W   50 KT  60 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 72H  06/0600Z 54.5N  17.6W   45 KT  50 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
 96H  07/0600Z 59.1N   9.0W   35 KT  40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
120H  08/0600Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Papin
 

N Atlantic a bit rocky

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Martin became post tropical sometime between 3pm GMT and 9PM GMT

Definitely one of the faster moving hurricanes and furthest north forming one's I've seen over the years I've been watching these.

 

Last update from NHC

Post-Tropical Cyclone Martin Advisory Number  10
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL162022
900 PM GMT Thu Nov 03 2022
 
...POST-TROPICAL MARTIN CAUSING STRONG WINDS AND HAZARDOUS SEAS
ACROSS A LARGE PORTION OF THE CENTRAL NORTH ATLANTIC...
 
 
SUMMARY OF 900 PM GMT...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...50.5N 34.5W
ABOUT 940 MI...1510 KM NNW OF THE AZORES
ABOUT 885 MI...1425 KM ENE OF CAPE RACE NEWFOUNDLAND
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...80 MPH...130 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 58 MPH...93 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...950 MB...28.06 INCHES
 
 
WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
There are no coastal watches or warnings in effect.
 
 
DISCUSSION AND OUTLOOK
----------------------
At 900 PM GMT (2100 UTC), the center of Post-Tropical Cyclone Martin
was located near latitude 50.5 North, longitude 34.5 West. The
post-tropical cyclone is moving toward the north-northeast near 58
mph (93 km/h). A slower northward to north-northwestward motion is 
expected tonight, followed by a much slower turn toward the east on 
Friday. An eastward to east-southeastward motion is then 
anticipated into the weekend.
 
Maximum sustained winds are near 80 mph (130 km/h) with higher 
gusts.  Martin's peak sustained winds will slowly decrease over the 
next few days, but it will continue to produce strong winds over a 
very large area well into the weekend.
 
Hurricane-force winds extend outward up to 70 miles (110 km) from
the center and tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 520
miles (835 km).
 
The estimated minimum central pressure is 950 mb (28.06 inches).

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